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"I for one welcome our insect overlords" - The Politics Thread

Waspish

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Been thinking this myself over the last few months .... ...from Canada ...how some see the US, Canada is scared and some seem to think the US is heading for an unstoppable civil war ....

Interesting read if interested... and not a bad interview ... but the article is better...

https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...y/news-story/1cd5ae1dd2900462f0694f41a3878666
The age of the internet means there is, practically speaking, infinite sources of information but most of it is ill-informed opinion rather than reliable, valid information.
The trouble is the majority of people don't have the skills to filter it appropriately and critically assess their sources, the agenda of the sources, or the validity of their claims.

The result is that people end up down rabbit-holes aided by heuristics and biases. Once you hold a belief any information you come across that supports your belief is treated as a fact by your brain, whereas if it requires you to break your belief then cognitive dissonance kicks in and is uncomfortable and so it is most likely rejected.

The outcome is an increasing polarisation of belief and opinion and increasing divides in society. It is absolutely exacerbated by bots, trolls and manipulators driving their own agenda, usually with the goal of destabilisation.

This article is most concerning because it is all too likely. The reverberations will not only be felt but likely played out in their own ways all over the world.

Add environmental decline, AI, and increasing wealth gaps... things are getting to be more and more unpredictable.

The upside is - with more variables in play than ever there are more and more tangential trajectories that could play out rather than what appears inevitable. There is always hope!
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
Oh that's a good one.

I also liked Betoota Advocate's take:

Djokovic sent to pick fruit out the back of Griffith after arriving in Melbourne with wrong visa
Not sure what Morrison's play will be here. He has wedged himself. Does he pander to the tough on border crowd or the libertarian crowd?

I suspect it will be a 45 minute word salad that will basically translate to :-

Justice has taken its course and we are happy with that, so let's all just enjoy the tennis.
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

Well-Known Member
Depends if you're talking about pandering to the RW libertarians or the LW ones......I'm convinced those who claim to be libertarians sit pretty far on either side.

Though typically the libertarians are on the right - and they're the same ones who want tougher borders.
 

dibo

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I think Morrison wanted to look tough, and someone got the paperwork wrong. If they wanted to keep him out, he should never have been issued a visa. If they were unable to prevent him from being issued a visa, they shouldn't have cancelled it on arrival.

The notion that his application was 'blind reviewed' and approved is actually entirely plausible to me, and it's about as good as you could expect in terms of a process of ensuring that celebrity won't get you special treatment.

So the notion of cancelling the visa once he got here was always going to be dangerous. It's the reverse kind of 'special treatment' - he's got a reasonable argument that he's done everything he was asked to do and now because the Government doesn't like the PR angle, he's being scapegoated. As the judge asked today "what more could he have done"?
 

pjennings

Well-Known Member
I think Morrison wanted to look tough, and someone got the paperwork wrong. If they wanted to keep him out, he should never have been issued a visa. If they were unable to prevent him from being issued a visa, they shouldn't have cancelled it on arrival.

The notion that his application was 'blind reviewed' and approved is actually entirely plausible to me, and it's about as good as you could expect in terms of a process of ensuring that celebrity won't get you special treatment.

So the notion of cancelling the visa once he got here was always going to be dangerous. It's the reverse kind of 'special treatment' - he's got a reasonable argument that he's done everything he was asked to do and now because the Government doesn't like the PR angle, he's being scapegoated. As the judge asked today "what more could he have done"?

Except it appears that he did it after the deadline for medical exemptions. The questions was 'do you have a medical exemption?' Yes - he did - issued after the deadline for the Australian Open. The question was poorly worded and should have mentioned that an exemption after the deadline was not valid.

He was asked to load it - he did - and then received a standard computer-generated reply. If it had been done in the country where it was requested - as Tennis Australia had requested the Federal government to do then it would never have been issued as the fact that it was after the deadline would have disqualified him.
 

dibo

Well-Known Member
I count that all as falling under 'someone got the paperwork wrong' - there's about 5 steps in there where they could've denied him an exemption and denied him entry.
 

midfielder

Well-Known Member
The age of the internet means there is, practically speaking, infinite sources of information but most of it is ill-informed opinion rather than reliable, valid information.
The trouble is the majority of people don't have the skills to filter it appropriately and critically assess their sources, the agenda of the sources, or the validity of their claims.

The result is that people end up down rabbit-holes aided by heuristics and biases. Once you hold a belief any information you come across that supports your belief is treated as a fact by your brain, whereas if it requires you to break your belief then cognitive dissonance kicks in and is uncomfortable and so it is most likely rejected.

The outcome is an increasing polarisation of belief and opinion and increasing divides in society. It is absolutely exacerbated by bots, trolls and manipulators driving their own agenda, usually with the goal of destabilisation.

This article is most concerning because it is all too likely. The reverberations will not only be felt but likely played out in their own ways all over the world.

Add environmental decline, AI, and increasing wealth gaps... things are getting to be more and more unpredictable.

The upside is - with more variables in play than ever there are more and more tangential trajectories that could play out rather than what appears inevitable. There is always hope!
Worth watching... the bit between say 8 minutes and just after 9 minutes is especially interesting....

 
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Wombat

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good read...

Im not a Morrison fan but I shudder at the thought of Albo at the helm!

Just look at the difference with the same team but a different Captain.....Perrottet v Glayds.....it hasn't been pretty.
 

Waspish

Well-Known Member
Im not a Morrison fan but I shudder at the thought of Albo at the helm!

Just look at the difference with the same team but a different Captain.....Perrottet v Glayds.....it hasn't been pretty.

There's no individual or group of politicians in Aus that fill you with inspiration at the moment.

But when I think names like Dutton, BJoyce, Christensen and Lamming...not to mention Scomo...I'm absolutely ready to go with 'Other'
 

Kilsin

Active Member
There's no individual or group of politicians in Aus that fill you with inspiration at the moment.

But when I think names like Dutton, BJoyce, Christensen and Lamming...not to mention Scomo...I'm absolutely ready to go with 'Other'
That's why it's best for us to put both the big parties last and second last and pick an independent that aligns with your views.

The more independents in parliament the harder it is for the big parties to get away with their shit and the more they have to strike deals with our independents and pass things that are in favour of the people.

A hung parliament is made out to be bad, but it's only bad for the big parties, it's actually very good for us, the people of Australia.

 

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