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Should Staj be Given a 5 Year Contract? ....and the Keys to Gosford.

turbo

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A realisation on how serious and damaging the allegations are. Agree it is a pretty hollow statement given their track record and the Staj sacking. This is the shake up it needs and to show this behavior will not be tolerated no matter who you are. I hope this is a turning point for the team and women's football in general. Bring it all to the forefront and then move forward bigger and stronger I say.
It definitely stinks of protecting star players.
 

pjennings

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It definitely stinks of protecting star players.
I think it is probably more about allaying sponsors fears in the short term.

If there is truly an independent inquiry then this should be seen as purely a PR exercise. We need an inquiry to be transparent, say what breaches have been made, what sanctions have been applied and what appeal processes are there. As well as what, if any, incidents have been passed to the police for investigation.
 

FFC Mariner

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Football Australia gaslighting of LDV starts - wagons circled, players briefed. Must protect the #1 asset at all costs.

LDV is going to find the world just became a very lonely place sady.
 

turbo

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Football Australia gaslighting of LDV starts - wagons circled, players briefed. Must protect the #1 asset at all costs.

LDV is going to find the world just became a very lonely place sady.
People will ask why go public now and frame it as being bitter from being left out of the Olympics. Problem is the whole setup is geared towards keeping your head down to protect your future interests.
- Burned former coach? Keep things professional to maintain some kind of future employment prospects. Say the wrong thing and you'll be cancelled very quickly.
- Ex player? Are you willing to burn bridges for any 'jobs for the girls' situations that might come up? You need to be prepared to leave football behind and have your reputation dragged through mud.
- Current player? Are you good enough to go up against the clique and stay in the squad? If so how pleasant do you think future camps will be? Maybe you just raise your concerns internally and see them sit in limbo then give up and keep your head down.

Then there's the vested interests of others orbiting the team who dont want to look bad, lose a gig or access to the latest news or story. There isnt much to gain on a personal level by rocking the boat but there's a lot to lose.

I think it is probably more about allaying sponsors fears in the short term.
If the big names being whispered are in the middle of it the team will be gutted, I think it goes beyond sponsors especially with 2023 being hosted here. My bet - you'll see a watered down review, some historical stuff acknowledged and the rest swept under the rug for a few years. Unless multiple reliable sources are willing to burn it all down and possibly be sued for defamation in the process the system the truth wont get into the public eye.
 

pjennings

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If the big names being whispered are in the middle of it the team will be gutted, I think it goes beyond sponsors especially with 2023 being hosted here. My bet - you'll see a watered down review, some historical stuff acknowledged and the rest swept under the rug for a few years. Unless multiple reliable sources are willing to burn it all down and possibly be sued for defamation in the process the system the truth wont get into the public eye.

I think you need to allay sponsors fears while conducting the investigation. As far as 2023 is concerned I think that is more of a reason to do a proper investigation and clean up the act from the elite level to grass roots.

If you want more people playing post 2023 then you need assure parents that little Jane or indeed Joey are safe no matter their sexual preference (or indeed religion, ethnicity or the like)
 

style_cafe

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Turbo - Equality is a double edged sword.

I too heard the rumours at least 20 years ago,
but i`m not surprised it has surfaced again.
There are a number of the players in same sex relationships within the team and with partners in other teams and other sports,I don`t have a problem with that.
Where the problem starts is with the grooming of younger players and all that goes with it.
Here is where equality comes into it.
What would happen if this was the men`s team?
There would be an uprising far greater than what has happened here that`s for sure.
The independent inquiry needs to be lead by someone of high integrity that goes beyond the normal,someone like ex Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox.
We have one chance to get this right for future generations of Matildas.
Let`s not f**k it up (so to speak)... :popcorn:
 

true believer

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Turbo - Equality is a double edged sword.

I too heard the rumours at least 20 years ago,
but i`m not surprised it has surfaced again.
There are a number of the players in same sex relationships within the team and with partners in other teams and other sports,I don`t have a problem with that.
Where the problem starts is with the grooming of younger players and all that goes with it.
Here is where equality comes into it.
What would happen if this was the men`s team?
There would be an uprising far greater than what has happened here that`s for sure.
The independent inquiry needs to be lead by someone of high integrity that goes beyond the normal,someone like ex Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox.
We have one chance to get this right for future generations of Matildas.
Let`s not f**k it up (so to speak)... :popcorn:
what's really consistent is this allegation was levelled at the australian womens cricket team as well .
and i'd dare say any other womens team going around .

i not a fan of convicting anyone before the evidence is presented .nor of dismissing a player
with a history of personal grievances out of hand .
 

Wombat

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I think you need to allay sponsors fears while conducting the investigation. As far as 2023 is concerned I think that is more of a reason to do a proper investigation and clean up the act from the elite level to grass roots.

If you want more people playing post 2023 then you need assure parents that little Jane or indeed Joey are safe no matter their sexual preference (or indeed religion, ethnicity or the like)

100%!! my wife who is an Aussie tried hard to stop my daughter playing Football when a teenager as she thought all female Footballers were all bulldykes. I thought she was stupid but she proved me wrong. Now I have a 12yo ripping it up in Netball but I can see she would be an awesome Footballer but I dont want to expose her to a part of society that is not normal.
This shit needs to be addressed now before the morons that destroyed the Matildas hopes of success continue to white ant the game in the name of f**k knows what PR bullshit?
 
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pjennings

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I find the bolded bit interesting. It really sounds to me like this is the PR statement. It brushes aside the past. i.e. We are now going to do the right thing and put in a proper process (for the Matildas, while we ignore the past.

In an official statement released on Monday, the current Matildas made the following statement: “We acknowledge the seriousness of Lisa’s allegations about the past and we empathise with her for not feeling like she could come forth earlier.

“We will work with Football Australia, the PFA and Sport Integrity Australia to ensure that all current and future players feel comfortable, safe and able to report instances of inappropriate behaviour, in a timely manner.

“There must also be a trusted process to deal with these complaints.


“We all – from our most capped players to our most recently capped - would like to reassure to our fans, family and friends that today we have a strong professional, inclusive and supportive culture that does not condone any of the behaviour mentioned within the numerous media articles about historical incidents.”



For a PR exercise to deal an immediate problem it probably fits the bill. However, unless a real investigation is done and meaningful change is introduced through football, female and male, from elite down to the grassroots, then this will continue to be a festering problem. Football is not alone with this problem and I hope that Football takes a lead role and addresses the problems that seem to be being reported across a number of sports. If that means leading administrators and players are held to account so be it.
 

true believer

Well-Known Member
100%!! my wife who is an Aussie tried hard to stop my daughter playing Football when a teenager as she thought all female Footballers were all bulldykes. I thought she was stupid but she proved me wrong. Now I have a 12yo ripping it up in Netball but I can see she would be an awesome Footballer but I dont want to expose her to a part of society that is not normal.
This shit needs to be addressed now before the morons that destroyed the Matildas hopes of success continue to white ant the game in the name of f**k knows what PR bullshit?

what do you mean , not normal ?
 

style_cafe

Well-Known Member
if it's systematic or that of an individual bully in a team of elite athletes .
you know like roy keane kicking ronaldo while they were both a man u .
if it's systematic or that of an individual bully in a team of elite athletes .
you know like roy keane kicking ronaldo while they were both a man u .
The videos don`t show bullying but they do show a lot of flesh etc... :popcorn:
 

booney

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Lots of innuendos and suppositions swirling around the Matildas.Staj's sacking,the abuse allegations by De Vanna and the team's recent performances all point to serious flaws in the culture and team spirit which is a pity with the WC in 2023.The lesbian relationships are neither here nor there as far as I am concerned but the bullying and abuse does not bode well for future performances and other factors such as sponsorship and public support.
 

Ozhammer

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Lots of innuendos and suppositions swirling around the Matildas.Staj's sacking,the abuse allegations by De Vanna and the team's recent performances all point to serious flaws in the culture and team spirit which is a pity with the WC in 2023.The lesbian relationships are neither here nor there as far as I am concerned but the bullying and abuse does not bode well for future performances and other factors such as sponsorship and public support.
I would suggest that the existence of personal intimate relationships between players in a team would almost certainly lead to certain dynamics existing, if not outright issues. For instance, what would happen if two previously intimate players break up and one then forms a relationship with another teammate? I’d proffer that could make for a potentially combustible situation, which is something that is seemingly more prevalent within the women’s game than would likely be the case in the men’s game.
 

booney

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I would suggest that the existence of personal intimate relationships between players in a team would almost certainly lead to certain dynamics existing, if not outright issues. For instance, what would happen if two previously intimate players break up and one then forms a relationship with another teammate? I’d proffer that could make for a potentially combustible situation, which is something that is seemingly more prevalent within the women’s game than would likely be the case in the men’s game.
Agree with your sentiments and analysis but these days to say that the female relationships/breakups would be more combustible than in a similar situation in a male team would lead you to be pronounced as a misogynist or lesbian hater especially on social media sites.

It appears Stajcic's sacking was related to him supposedly "interfering" in intimate relationships in the team by asking for a change in sleeping and rooming arrangements but we will never know.
 

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