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Aussie football that don’t need a whole thread ...thread
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Insertnamehere
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Far out there's some quality footballers in those teams. I thought I didn't know Aussie football from the early 90s but I reckon even I know a couple of guys per team.
marinermick
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ozfootball.net is fabulous website Recky. This is where that pic has come from.
Just as side note you will notice there is no Newcastle team. This is the only season (except first) that they have not been involved.
I was part of a National Youth League Newcastle team that played that season. We used to always be curtain raisers to Adelaide whenever they played in NSW. NYL was split between north and south as it is today.
Sharing a dressing shed with those Adelaide legends was amazing and they won that season. I remember coming off injured in the second half of a game once and going back to the dressing shed where Zoran Matic (coach) was having his pregame talk. It was amazing! he was so detailed and inspiring.
Just as side note you will notice there is no Newcastle team. This is the only season (except first) that they have not been involved.
I was part of a National Youth League Newcastle team that played that season. We used to always be curtain raisers to Adelaide whenever they played in NSW. NYL was split between north and south as it is today.
Sharing a dressing shed with those Adelaide legends was amazing and they won that season. I remember coming off injured in the second half of a game once and going back to the dressing shed where Zoran Matic (coach) was having his pregame talk. It was amazing! he was so detailed and inspiring.
marinermick
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Just going down that list and looking at the keepers. I reckon we had better quality goalkeepers in the league back then than now.
sydmariner
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pjennings
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Why was the AIS program so successful? - Ron Smith tells Lucy
Lucy Zelic discusses the ins and outs of the AIS football program with former head coach Ron Smith.
pjennings
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The birth of Australian soccer in the Vietnam War in 1967
In 1967, Australian soccer was reborn during an international football tournament took place to the backdrop of the Vietnam War.
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I was in high school when this tournament was played.The media did give it some attention as Australia was involved in the war.Luckily the team survived the experience and some of the players were in the 1974 World Cup squad. Johnny Warren's book "Sheilas,Wogs and Poofters" gives a very good account of the experience.
sydmariner
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A-League players hit back after being asked to take reported 80 per cent pay cut
Brisbane Roar's Jamie Young has expressed his frustrations after A-League players were asked to take an 80 percent pay cut to finish off the A-League season.
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Looks like there’s a fight brewing
FFC Mariner
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Clisby still over paid
pjennings
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The figures don't add up. We don't know the real story. $12million was the income from the TV payment. Since the shutdown all the clubs have had no real income and will get no real income from the rest of the season. The FFA are taking on the costs of the bubble - estimated at $2,000,000 which otherwise would have been a club expense. So the clubs and the FFA are also losing money.A-League players hit back after being asked to take reported 80 per cent pay cut
Brisbane Roar's Jamie Young has expressed his frustrations after A-League players were asked to take an 80 percent pay cut to finish off the A-League season.
Looks like there’s a fight brewing
From the story the clubs usually get $800000*11 = $8,800,000. The usual wage is bill is $5,700,000 which will now be less than $2,000,000. (around a 65% cut - not a 80% cut). This is still not great - but plenty of other people have suffered worth economic fates in the last few months. There is no mention of the $3,100,000 paid to the clubs normally over and above the wages normally. Is that still going to be paid?
Then if you factor in the almost $2,500,000 JobKeeper payments the players will be only down about 20%. It also looks like the youngsters on about $60000 will not be out of pocket. They currently would be paid around $15000 a quarter. Under this they will be paid $9750 JobKeeper and $5250 by the club from the Fox payment
The clubs are already down with a loss of income and the FFA are down because they have $2,000,000 in extra expenses.
From all accounts as at yesterday the talks had just been FFA and PFA. The owners need to also be involved. This just sound like the PFA playing out negotiations in the press again. It may not be but even if it isn't - incomplete reporting does not help anyone.
I agree, there’s a lot that hasn’t been detailed and really should be in the interests of transparency.
pjennings
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ULTIMATE GUIDE TO A-LEAGUE AND FOOTBALL’S RADICAL RETHINK IN OZ
By Aidan Ormond May 26 2020 5:52PM
The Socceroos' Golden Generation have become the lightning rod for a much-needed discussion over proposed changes to the structure of the A-League and football in Australia.
Now is the time.
The terrible COVID-19 situation has allowed those with a vested interest in the A-League and national game time to stop, reflect, and refocus.
If we’re all smart and work together the entire game - not just the A-League - can benefit for years to come.
Repeat: If we’re smart, have a clear strategy and work together.
The FFA has unveiled ‘The Starting Eleven’, an advisory panel made up of ex-golden generation Socceroos. This includes the much-respected Lucas Neill, the former national team skipper who has been almost silent since his retirement from the national team.
Former national technical director Rob Sherman has also been vocal in what needs to change, as have FTBL along with Socceroos coach Graham Arnold and former A-League boss Archie Fraser.
There are other forward-thinking minds inside the game who are putting the game first and ready to work towards a stronger future.
Here are some of the mooted changes that have been raised around the A-League and other areas of football in Oz.
What do you think?
CALENDAR CHANGE TO A ‘WINTER' A-LEAGUE FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER
Pros: Proponents include the Golden Generation (and FTBL) who believe for a raft of reasons, aligning the entire game - A-League, W-League, NPL, and grassroots - will boost commercial revenues, crowd numbers, quality of play, media coverage, the Socceroos.
"I think [moving to winter] makes a lot of sense,” says former Socceroo Craig Moore.
"The majority of the football in this country is played from March to September so I think the adjustment wouldn't be a crazy one, but it would be something that probably suits us."
Cons: Stadia will be a challenge, but it’s one worth exploring with this being the catalyst for a boutique stadia strategy, allowing bigger A-League matches to be played at larger multi-use venues.
Verdict: If it’s going to happen, now is the time given the fluid A-League calendar.
Will it happen? 75% chance
VOTING POWER CURBED FOR STATE FEDERATIONS ON NATIONAL ISSUES
The politicization of the game’s decision-making has been a sad and pathetic blight.
Pros: Proponents argue by removing state federations from national decision-making, politics, and deal-making is contained.
They also argue it reduces a bloated administration and allows federations to focus on their own (and in many cases booming) grassroots numbers.
Cons: Opponents point to the game needing a national voting voice.
Will the turkeys vote for Christmas? Or can JJ find a solution to keep all parties happy and invested?
Verdict: This could be James Johnson’s lasting legacy.
Will it happen? 50% chance (but with Johnson we have the CEO to pull this one off)
OWNING CONTENT AND STREAMING A-LEAGUE, FFA CUP, W-LEAGUE, AND NPL.
If Foxtel decides to discontinue a relationship that is currently in the middle of a six-year broadcast rights deal worth around $57 million a year for the A-League, then how is the game’s broadcast product monetized?
Pros: "We would love to be able to see in the future that the game has got some stake or some ownership of its content, of its game, of its television rights," Moore added.
And with multiple devices and rapid improvements in screen resolution, OTT and streaming are strong options for these times.
Cons: Guaranteed, albeit fixed, income from a broadcast deal primarily for A-League but also potentially across the board.
Verdict: Technology is now robust enough to stream the A-League and every other FFA league at a significantly reduced cost compared to the linear broadcast model.
Will it happen? 80% chance
PROMOTION AND RELEGATION BETWEEN A-LEAGUE TO THE SECOND DIVISION
Pros: Proponents believe this will be a unique selling point for the A-League, with promotion and relegation playoffs giving the league both excitement boosts and a European style improvement in players' standards with more opportunities for coaches.
Cons: This idea could only really work if the game was aligned (see earlier point) playing from March to November.
Verdict: There’s still a lot to be worked out in terms of the financial model, the geographic selection basis, cost of staffing, how to select the clubs, and the levels of professionalism at each club.
Will it happen? 50% chance within the next two years.
A-LEAGUE RESERVE COMPETITION (A2)
Pros: From development and logistical points of view, is it easier and quicker to set up a national reserve league (perhaps a conference system) below the A-League?
This ticks boxes as both a “second division” (without promotion) and a national youth league, which is currently a short tournament with little value.
Featuring all A-League clubs’ academy players, fringe first-team squad members plus a selection of NPL clubs in a 16-team league, this would tick the box for player development, pyramid alignment, game time for younger players and there may be a chance to stream these games, thereby offsetting the cost with sponsorship).
Some games could be A-League curtain-raisers.
Cons:Would this take precedence over a mooted second division that has promotion and relegation?
Verdict: Great idea.
Will it happen? 60% chance within the next two years.
FEE-FREE GRASSROOTS FOOTBALL POST-COVID 19
Australians are doing it tough. Unemployment has skyrocketed.
The economy could be in a recession for a few years as we deal with the fallout from the COVID-19 situation.
Pros: Is it time to offer registration relief for a two-year trial period? With the plan reviewed over time?
This idea is for fees to be replaced by a modest single membership fee (or family membership) with members assisting the club as a way of offsetting the loss of revenue from registrations.
So, aside from social cohesion and inclusivity outcomes and benefits, this will allow football to take advantage of the expected population boom at the grassroots level.
As an example, in 2017, Balga Soccer Club in Perth implemented a fee-free model for players aged between five and 18.
Club president Ken Shorto stated publicly that since the change came in, his club had doubled the number of registered players — with the vast majority being newly arrived migrant families.
Cons: Potential revenue shortfall.
Verdict: Smart idea. It’s preferable to have these ‘members' in our system rather than forced away by costs and playing other sports that offer cheaper registrations.
Will it happen? 70% chance
EXPANSION OF A-LEAGUE TO 16 CLUBS BY 2022
That’s two years from now. Four new clubs would be needed.
Pros: More games. More broadcast products to show. More revenue drivers. Tougher league compared to previous versions when the A-League had very long off-seasons.
Cons: The questions remain: where do these new A-League and W-League clubs come from?
Is it geographically based? Or only newly formed clubs only, such as Canberra and Team 11? Or a mix of new clubs and existing ones from the NPL system?
A lot of questions still to be explored.
Verdict: Expansion of the A-League is vital. The league is too small right now.
Will it happen? 60% chance
SALARY CAP REVIEW
As it stands, the CBA states clubs can spend on marquees as they need to, but for their squad of players the salary cap is at $3.2m (expansion clubs have $3.6m and additional PDP funding).
A-League clubs must spend at least the salary floor at $2.88m (90% of the cap).
This cap has largely been funded by the broadcast deal which has given clubs around $800,000 each quarter.
Pros: Some argue scrapping it will help ambitious clubs prosper rather than a ceiling on spending.
Those who argue the cap hasn’t fulfilled its original justification point to the large gap between the bottom and top-placed A-League clubs, with the cap originally designed as an equalization measure as well to curb clubs from reckless spending that could jeopardize their viability.
Cons: Potential for financial mismanagement that could lead to clubs going bust.
Verdict: Could be tweaked to allow more financial freedom, but financial safeguards need to be put in place so clubs don’t go bust.
Will it happen? 60% chance
VISA PLAYERS CAPPED AT FIVE
The visa cap has largely been a success to date.
Pros: The quality of players such as Serbian Milos Ninkovic, Spaniard Diego Castro, and German Thomas Broich has given the league a huge lift in quality.
And with the market bottoming out in Europe, better quality players may be available to fit under the cap while maintaining a balance between local and visa players.
Some are even calling for a lift in the number of marquees rather than a cap.
Cons: Less opportunity for local talent and fewer chances to learn from other football cultures and star players.
Verdict: Five has worked well, but more would not benefit the game broadly.
Will it happen? 90% chance
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By Aidan Ormond May 26 2020 5:52PM
The Socceroos' Golden Generation have become the lightning rod for a much-needed discussion over proposed changes to the structure of the A-League and football in Australia.
Now is the time.
The terrible COVID-19 situation has allowed those with a vested interest in the A-League and national game time to stop, reflect, and refocus.
If we’re all smart and work together the entire game - not just the A-League - can benefit for years to come.
Repeat: If we’re smart, have a clear strategy and work together.
The FFA has unveiled ‘The Starting Eleven’, an advisory panel made up of ex-golden generation Socceroos. This includes the much-respected Lucas Neill, the former national team skipper who has been almost silent since his retirement from the national team.
Former national technical director Rob Sherman has also been vocal in what needs to change, as have FTBL along with Socceroos coach Graham Arnold and former A-League boss Archie Fraser.
There are other forward-thinking minds inside the game who are putting the game first and ready to work towards a stronger future.
Here are some of the mooted changes that have been raised around the A-League and other areas of football in Oz.
What do you think?
CALENDAR CHANGE TO A ‘WINTER' A-LEAGUE FROM MARCH TO NOVEMBER
Pros: Proponents include the Golden Generation (and FTBL) who believe for a raft of reasons, aligning the entire game - A-League, W-League, NPL, and grassroots - will boost commercial revenues, crowd numbers, quality of play, media coverage, the Socceroos.
"I think [moving to winter] makes a lot of sense,” says former Socceroo Craig Moore.
"The majority of the football in this country is played from March to September so I think the adjustment wouldn't be a crazy one, but it would be something that probably suits us."
Cons: Stadia will be a challenge, but it’s one worth exploring with this being the catalyst for a boutique stadia strategy, allowing bigger A-League matches to be played at larger multi-use venues.
Verdict: If it’s going to happen, now is the time given the fluid A-League calendar.
Will it happen? 75% chance
VOTING POWER CURBED FOR STATE FEDERATIONS ON NATIONAL ISSUES
The politicization of the game’s decision-making has been a sad and pathetic blight.
Pros: Proponents argue by removing state federations from national decision-making, politics, and deal-making is contained.
They also argue it reduces a bloated administration and allows federations to focus on their own (and in many cases booming) grassroots numbers.
Cons: Opponents point to the game needing a national voting voice.
Will the turkeys vote for Christmas? Or can JJ find a solution to keep all parties happy and invested?
Verdict: This could be James Johnson’s lasting legacy.
Will it happen? 50% chance (but with Johnson we have the CEO to pull this one off)
OWNING CONTENT AND STREAMING A-LEAGUE, FFA CUP, W-LEAGUE, AND NPL.
If Foxtel decides to discontinue a relationship that is currently in the middle of a six-year broadcast rights deal worth around $57 million a year for the A-League, then how is the game’s broadcast product monetized?
Pros: "We would love to be able to see in the future that the game has got some stake or some ownership of its content, of its game, of its television rights," Moore added.
And with multiple devices and rapid improvements in screen resolution, OTT and streaming are strong options for these times.
Cons: Guaranteed, albeit fixed, income from a broadcast deal primarily for A-League but also potentially across the board.
Verdict: Technology is now robust enough to stream the A-League and every other FFA league at a significantly reduced cost compared to the linear broadcast model.
Will it happen? 80% chance
PROMOTION AND RELEGATION BETWEEN A-LEAGUE TO THE SECOND DIVISION
Pros: Proponents believe this will be a unique selling point for the A-League, with promotion and relegation playoffs giving the league both excitement boosts and a European style improvement in players' standards with more opportunities for coaches.
Cons: This idea could only really work if the game was aligned (see earlier point) playing from March to November.
Verdict: There’s still a lot to be worked out in terms of the financial model, the geographic selection basis, cost of staffing, how to select the clubs, and the levels of professionalism at each club.
Will it happen? 50% chance within the next two years.
A-LEAGUE RESERVE COMPETITION (A2)
Pros: From development and logistical points of view, is it easier and quicker to set up a national reserve league (perhaps a conference system) below the A-League?
This ticks boxes as both a “second division” (without promotion) and a national youth league, which is currently a short tournament with little value.
Featuring all A-League clubs’ academy players, fringe first-team squad members plus a selection of NPL clubs in a 16-team league, this would tick the box for player development, pyramid alignment, game time for younger players and there may be a chance to stream these games, thereby offsetting the cost with sponsorship).
Some games could be A-League curtain-raisers.
Cons:Would this take precedence over a mooted second division that has promotion and relegation?
Verdict: Great idea.
Will it happen? 60% chance within the next two years.
FEE-FREE GRASSROOTS FOOTBALL POST-COVID 19
Australians are doing it tough. Unemployment has skyrocketed.
The economy could be in a recession for a few years as we deal with the fallout from the COVID-19 situation.
Pros: Is it time to offer registration relief for a two-year trial period? With the plan reviewed over time?
This idea is for fees to be replaced by a modest single membership fee (or family membership) with members assisting the club as a way of offsetting the loss of revenue from registrations.
So, aside from social cohesion and inclusivity outcomes and benefits, this will allow football to take advantage of the expected population boom at the grassroots level.
As an example, in 2017, Balga Soccer Club in Perth implemented a fee-free model for players aged between five and 18.
Club president Ken Shorto stated publicly that since the change came in, his club had doubled the number of registered players — with the vast majority being newly arrived migrant families.
Cons: Potential revenue shortfall.
Verdict: Smart idea. It’s preferable to have these ‘members' in our system rather than forced away by costs and playing other sports that offer cheaper registrations.
Will it happen? 70% chance
EXPANSION OF A-LEAGUE TO 16 CLUBS BY 2022
That’s two years from now. Four new clubs would be needed.
Pros: More games. More broadcast products to show. More revenue drivers. Tougher league compared to previous versions when the A-League had very long off-seasons.
Cons: The questions remain: where do these new A-League and W-League clubs come from?
Is it geographically based? Or only newly formed clubs only, such as Canberra and Team 11? Or a mix of new clubs and existing ones from the NPL system?
A lot of questions still to be explored.
Verdict: Expansion of the A-League is vital. The league is too small right now.
Will it happen? 60% chance
SALARY CAP REVIEW
As it stands, the CBA states clubs can spend on marquees as they need to, but for their squad of players the salary cap is at $3.2m (expansion clubs have $3.6m and additional PDP funding).
A-League clubs must spend at least the salary floor at $2.88m (90% of the cap).
This cap has largely been funded by the broadcast deal which has given clubs around $800,000 each quarter.
Pros: Some argue scrapping it will help ambitious clubs prosper rather than a ceiling on spending.
Those who argue the cap hasn’t fulfilled its original justification point to the large gap between the bottom and top-placed A-League clubs, with the cap originally designed as an equalization measure as well to curb clubs from reckless spending that could jeopardize their viability.
Cons: Potential for financial mismanagement that could lead to clubs going bust.
Verdict: Could be tweaked to allow more financial freedom, but financial safeguards need to be put in place so clubs don’t go bust.
Will it happen? 60% chance
VISA PLAYERS CAPPED AT FIVE
The visa cap has largely been a success to date.
Pros: The quality of players such as Serbian Milos Ninkovic, Spaniard Diego Castro, and German Thomas Broich has given the league a huge lift in quality.
And with the market bottoming out in Europe, better quality players may be available to fit under the cap while maintaining a balance between local and visa players.
Some are even calling for a lift in the number of marquees rather than a cap.
Cons: Less opportunity for local talent and fewer chances to learn from other football cultures and star players.
Verdict: Five has worked well, but more would not benefit the game broadly.
Will it happen? 90% chance
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pjennings
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I think the odds of some are a tad optimistic as well.
FFA has to loan Perth a bunch of money. For once it’s not us (I hope).
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