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I agree with your sentiment overall but the quoted bit is at the core of the matter. If ordinary people are kicking in extra funds on top of their memberships they want to see the overall spend go up to get us closer to a level playing field and there isn't any guarantee of that. A new owner doesn't guarantee it either but would have more benefit of the doubt while MC's time has jaded many fans even though it kept the lights on. I don't begrudge him wanting to reduce his losses but it doesn't inspire me to subsidize it.I see any money available must be used to close the gap as much as possible between us and the better funded clubs.
I agree with your sentiment overall but the quoted bit is at the core of the matter. If ordinary people are kicking in extra funds on top of their memberships they want to see the overall spend go up to get us closer to a level playing field and there isn't any guarantee of that. A new owner doesn't guarantee it either but would have more benefit of the doubt while MC's time has jaded many fans even though it kept the lights on. I don't begrudge him wanting to reduce his losses but it doesn't inspire me to subsidize it.
. i think the crux of the matter is that nobody wants to put money in to maintain the status quo* - the money needs to be seen to be doing some good ... for the Club**
* to avoid unnecessarily muddying the waters i am excluding the recent on pitch success
** in this instance Club does not equal Mike (which appears to be the sticking point for more than a few without further clarity)
Unless I’m misunderstanding, for myself, any MC issues become moot if the trust is set up to function with enough autonomy around how and when it spends its funds. And this is what Mark and co) are working to do.
I suspect it will be quite a while before the Trust will be in a position to buy a part of the Club. It may be given a share, it may get a seat on the board or as what I suspect most likely it will be a benefactor at arms length with some access to those making decisions.
A lot of water to go under the bridge.
I think you will find that it is the aim of every owner for their club to be self sufficient and not have to put their hands in their pockets more than necessary.
Many here may be surprised how much owners actually fork out each year. I suspect some of the larger clubs may have a greater income from gate receipts and sponsorships and may actually out their hands in their pockets less than owners of smaller clubs. It is something we will probably never know.
If Sydney for example were setting up a fans trust fund I suspect they would be wary of just reducing the owner's contribution.
If we give money to the Academy as some have suggested the same question may be asked of Anton. Will he contribute less?
I am pretty sure no owner expects to make a dividend from a club. Any who are looking to make a quid will expect to do it when they make a capital gain when they sell the club when the League grows.
The argument I am trying to make is that any owner will be no different to Mike. There are some out there who will invest more money to achieve success, in the hope that over time this success will be the way for the club to be self sufficient. But in the long term they will all be looking for their club to be self sufficient.
Many owners will see that having a supporters trust fund available is a way to achieving self sufficiency for the club, whether they have deep pockets or not.
The Trust will have work towards attaining a say in the management and even ownership rights in return for any contribution.
Yes, I am saying that if Mike or someone new is the owner it will not answer the questions being raised here.
I am also pointing out that we are doing ok under Mike compared to the Jets under Lee and the Roar under the Bakries.
From all that I hear bills are being paid. Yes, they are being written off against profits in MC's accounts.
A question to consider, when we were shit many blamed Charlesworth. Do you also wish to Blame him now that we are doing well?
The take home message is do not let your individual likes and dislikes talk down what may be an opportunity for this Club to be a leader in football in this country.
It may not work, but I want to see it have every opportunity of success. I want my descendants to be able to say their father, grandfather whatever was a foundation member of this great Club and the trust that made it great.
I'd back Anton and the academy over giving anything to MC.I put it to you that we are doing well for the following reasons:
1. A coach who we paid the minimum amount of money to and made a gamble on is finally doing well. The last three gambles did not pay off.
2. The lower salary cap with Covid has brought teams in line with our wages making us competitive
3. Anton is funding and running the academy.
Therefore I believe MC has lucked on the first two points and should be grateful to Anton for the last.
I do not need to list the number of bat shit ideas we have had to endure the last few years that has cost MC more money than it should have. Money that could have been used to a full salary cap.
I won’t put my hard earned money into a venture with this sort of history of weird arse spending and lack of focus on the actual football department.
I'm just not sure that backing an academy or the npl with $1 mill of supporters money is bang for buck. Not sure what the upside is or the incentive to continue handing it over. Let's say you get the best academy from the resultant funding but you still have a cluster f**k of an owner operating in the way of mate has four the past 5yrs. Then the fans are funding the next generation of players for other clubs.I'd back Anton and the academy over giving anything to MC.
Interesting if you care to remember it was Charlesworth who brought out Phelan who contributed a great amount to the academy that Anton was then able to support.I'd back Anton and the academy over giving anything to MC.