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Kilsin

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They are more a fitness circuit than a gym.

Anytime (peill) where i go at Wyoming has never been busier
Spot on, mate!

People finally understand that circuit training and CrossFit are not that beneficial unless you want to get better at circuits and CrossFit...

The average person would benefit much more from a balanced strength training program and a few good walks per week with better quality food choices than putting their body through that training style. Unless someone loves it, I would always recommend proper resistance training 3-4 times per week over either of those styles.

Your body will also thank you for skipping that style of training, especially if you're over 40 :D
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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These closures have been going on for a little while now. I think part of the issue is that quite a few owners have overextended with multiple franchise setups, so when they fall through, that's suddenly 5 gyms closing. I know sometimes people convert from F45 to independent or another branch.

Can't imagine the margins are great on these, and I wonder how much money they have to pay head office.

There's a new CEO who thinks that in Australia at least, management were just trying to sell as many franchises as they could and not offering the proper business development support so of course they'd go under.

They actually took it off the New York Stock Exchange, after basically all the value was wiped.

F45 aren't the only brand of this sort of thing though. Different brands have their pros and cons. Increased competition since pre-covid times might be another factor.

People finally understand that circuit training and CrossFit are not that beneficial unless you want to get better at circuits and CrossFit...
Not really true...they definitely do help with overall fitness and strength. Not as much strength as dedicated gym sessions with progressive overload, but there's nothing wrong with that.

The average person would benefit much more from a balanced strength training program and a few good walks per week with better quality food choices than putting their body through that training style. Unless someone loves it, I would always recommend proper resistance training 3-4 times per week over either of those styles.

Your body will also thank you for skipping that style of training, especially if you're over 40 :D

You're presuming that everybody wants pure strength as their fitness goal. That's not the goal for a lot of people. Or, plenty of people combine both. Or find that F45 etc gives other advantages. Whether it's the best option or not depends on people's goals, what works for their body, and heck, what they're actually motivated to get and and do, what they enjoy.

I don't really buy the 'your body will thank you for not doing it' claim either.
 
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Kilsin

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These closures have been going on for a little while now. I think part of the issue is that quite a few owners have overextended with multiple franchise setups, so when they fall through, that's suddenly 5 gyms closing. I know sometimes people convert from F45 to independent or another branch.

Can't imagine the margins are great on these, and I wonder how much money they have to pay head office.

There's a new CEO who thinks that in Australia at least, management were just trying to sell as many franchises as they could and not offering the proper business development support so of course they'd go under.

They actually took it off the New York Stock Exchange, after basically all the value was wiped.

F45 aren't the only brand of this sort of thing though. Different brands have their pros and cons. Increased competition since pre-covid times might be another factor.


Not really true...they definitely do help with overall fitness and strength. Not as much strength as dedicated gym sessions with progressive overload, but there's nothing wrong with that.



You're presuming that everybody wants pure strength as their fitness goal. That's not the goal for a lot of people. Or, plenty of people combine both. Or find that F45 etc gives other advantages. Whether it's the best option or not depends on people's goals, what works for their body, and heck, what they're actually motivated to get and and do, what they enjoy.

I don't really buy the 'your body will thank you for not doing it' claim either.
I don't assume anything, mate. My training approach for all of my clients is tailored to each individual's goals with safety and efficiency in mind.

Strength training has various advantages compared to CrossFit and circuit training like F45. It's better in increasing muscle mass and strength through progressive overload, enhances metabolic rate, improves bone density, and minimises the risk of injury.

Recent studies also support its long-term benefits for metabolic health and muscular development.

The decline in popularity of high-intensity workouts like CrossFit and F45 could be due to factors such as high cost, culture, competition, and a shift towards more specialised or individualised training programs.

Ultimately, the choice of the fitness program should align with one's personal goals and preferences. However, as an exercise professional, I would never recommend workouts like CrossFit and F45. There are far safer and better ways to achieve fitness goals without putting the body through that kind of stress.

Where are all the 80 yr old, injury-free, CrossFitters? :D
 

Wombat

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In my shops we treat alot of Gym Junkies and a high percentage of those do Cross Fit. It is very hard on the body. My son did Cross Fit for 12 months and while he got mega fit it took its toll on his young body. He trains in Muay Thai religiously so doesn't really need the added burden of Cross Fit.
Having said that, those that do Cross Fit absolutely love it and appear to be addicted.
 

Kilsin

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In my shops we treat alot of Gym Junkies and a high percentage of those do Cross Fit. It is very hard on the body. My son did Cross Fit for 12 months and while he got mega fit it took its toll on his young body. He trains in Muay Thai religiously so doesn't really need the added burden of Cross Fit.
Having said that, those that do Cross Fit absolutely love it and appear to be addicted.
Yeah, absolutely, mate.

Within those communities, there is a sense of camaraderie that is reminiscent of a cult-like mentality, but in a positive sense. Members support and challenge each other, which can be very beneficial. However, I believe the benefits end there. The community can also resort to bullying and guilt-tripping to keep members engaged, which is a pretty shitty tactic but with such an unsustainable fitness model, it's unsurprising.

You can certainly get better cardiovascular health with CrossFit and F45 style training but as I said, it's just not sustainable. You can get just as good increases in cardio from running, swimming, biking, HIIT training and even walking.
 

FFC Mariner

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crossfit, gym sessions ! f**k that :vhappy: ...a casual stroll through the botanic gardens and along the the brissy river a couple of time a week will do me
The cross fit cult relies on disciples (like any cult) - having a business model that only considers 1 element of training and is easily added to the menu of any other gym was their downfall. That and corporate shit housery
 

Capn Gus Bloodbeard

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The cross fit cult relies on disciples (like any cult) - having a business model that only considers 1 element of training and is easily added to the menu of any other gym was their downfall. That and corporate shit housery

It's funny you say cult - I do f45 (along with running and gym) and I always call it cult in jest to people I'm around... "might not get to the pub until about 7, I have cult first".

You're right that most gyms offer HIIT cardio, some would be better than others, of course. I prefer F45 over doing that. But yes - if somebody wants to really build strength, while F45 etc will help, it's not as effective as a dedicated gym session (even though f45 has sessions focused on strength, you're still battling non-optimal programs and muscle fatigue...eg sets with only 25s rest). These group fitness sessions aren't cheap and with cost of living going up, I can imagine they're a luxury for many people.

The gym I used to go to actually had F45 on the floor there anyway. Great arrangement I'm sure, as then F45 doesn't have to deal with the normal costs of hiring a building that sits dormant most of the day.
 

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