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AFC U23 Asian Cup

Iain Shand

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Didn't watch the other games so can't comment on those red cards but the one last night was 100% a red.
He did the lash out in a tackle in the first few minutes that wasn't 100% obvious but would have been noted by VAR to keep an eye on it. Then he goes ahead and does that. Was idiotic.

Other than that - Yengi cost us a goal by Kuol, shocking defending for their goal. Bad play overall.
 

Ironbark

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I felt that this team never really played like a team all tournament. Some great work but too much selfish play or not trusting enough to play in a teammate ruined the cohesion. Yengi snatching at Kuol's goal is a perfect example. Brook constantly trying to dribble through all the defenders rather than pass it another.

That said pretty bloody good tournament. Shame Nizzy and Faz didn't get more of a run though.
 

FFC Mariner

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I felt that this team never really played like a team all tournament. Some great work but too much selfish play or not trusting enough to play in a teammate ruined the cohesion. Yengi snatching at Kuol's goal is a perfect example. Brook constantly trying to dribble through all the defenders rather than pass it another.

That said pretty bloody good tournament. Shame Nizzy and Faz didn't get more of a run though.
Curriculum coach only had Plan A
When Okon ball fails they have nothing
 

Forum Phoenix

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Didn't watch the other games so can't comment on those red cards but the one last night was 100% a red.
He did the lash out in a tackle in the first few minutes that wasn't 100% obvious but would have been noted by VAR to keep an eye on it. Then he goes ahead and does that. Was idiotic.

Other than that - Yengi cost us a goal by Kuol, shocking defending for their goal. Bad play overall.
Yeah this. Got away with the first.

You could also tell by his reaction he knew. Dirty sure. But he knew.

Positive was, we moved the ball quicker without him.
 

Ozhammer

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I have watched all of Australia’s games as well as all of the QF’s and we were the weakest team to qualify out of the group stages, so we shouldn’t complain about being knocked out.

As has already been said, we looked like a curriculum-coached side, with little room for flair and individual creativity imho and often looked like 11 individuals instead of a team.

The game plan against a very good Saudi side seemed to be to stiffle and frustrate them, which wasn’t overly effective. I would rather we had taken the game to them but you have to have the horses in the stable to do that and not get exposed. We may have had better success if we had harried and harassed them but that sort of approach is often considered too high risk in big games like this.

I guess we will never know if things could have turned out differently and tournament football is always a challenge in any event and all these young players will have grown from this experience.
 
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Insertnamehere

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I have watched all of Australia’s games as well as all of the QF’s and in , we were the weakest team to qualify out of the group stages, so we shouldn’t complain about being knocked out.

As has already been said, we looked like a curriculum-coached side, with little room for flair and individual creativity imho and often looked like 11 individuals instead of a team.

The game plan against a very good Saudi side seemed to be to stiffle and frustrate them, which wasn’t overly effective. I would rather we had taken the game to them but you have to have the horses in the stable to do that and not get exposed. We may have had better success if we had harried and harassed them but that sort of approach is often considered too high risk in big games like this.

I guess we will never know if things could have turned out differently and tournament football is always a challenge in any event and all these young players will have grown from this experience.
Who is the coach?
 

Tevor

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Hes got a pretty good rep so I thought
He didn’t do too bad, the only criticism was the selfish play by some and I’m not convinced the manager is totally to blame for that. Yengi, Rich, Brook and Najjarine all tried to be the hero way too often. Could be more about individuals egos than coaching. The funny thing is Kuol with very limited service showed them all up and will forever have the best highlight of the tournament.

Yengi moving from the Reds is interesting, he is clearly a big strong lad with some talent but does look to be a FIGJAM and maybe Veart couldn’t manage his expectations. Just the job for Rudan 🤣. Will be interesting to see how he goes but I feel he needs a reset as his attitude may end up his biggest weakness.
 

turbo

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He didn’t do too bad, the only criticism was the selfish play by some and I’m not convinced the manager is totally to blame for that. Yengi, Rich, Brook and Najjarine all tried to be the hero way too often.
If they aren’t following the plan drop them. Most of those guys got lots of minutes so it’s on the manager to an extent.
 

Big Al

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Also pretty tough to coach when you have 10 men all the time.

I thought we looked good in game 1 but as the tournament went on our attack was to selfish and the VAR with stupidity really stopped any momentum
 

Rising Sun

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I have watched all of Australia’s games as well as all of the QF’s and we were the weakest team to qualify out of the group stages, so we shouldn’t complain about being knocked out.

As has already been said, we looked like a curriculum-coached side, with little room for flair and individual creativity imho and often looked like 11 individuals instead of a team.

The game plan against a very good Saudi side seemed to be to stiffle and frustrate them, which wasn’t overly effective. I would rather we had taken the game to them but you have to have the horses in the stable to do that and not get exposed. We may have had better success if we had harried and harassed them but that sort of approach is often considered too high risk in big games like this.

I guess we will never know if things could have turned out differently and tournament football is always a challenge in any event and all these young players will have grown from this experience.
A fair summary. One thing that probably contributed to both our lack of cohesiveness and tactical limitations is that our preparation was very limited. Most of the teams seemed to have played pre-tournament friendlies, and the west Asian teams also had the benefit of the West Asian u23 cup in October.

We only played the 2 qualifying games - and only 6 of the players from those games were in Uzbekistan (and only 3 of those started yesterday). Other than that we had a "talent identification camp" that some - but not all (Francois and Rich-Bachelgou were not there) attended.

By contrast Saudi Arabia played 11 games in the 9 months prior to the tournament including 4 friendlies this year, and other of the West Asian nations had similar number of games
 

style_cafe

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Previously the Joeys coach and has been in and around the junior national teams for a decade or more. Don't really know enough about him to comment properly but haven't ever read any real criticism of him.
Trevor Morgan is a career coach.
As a player he didn`t reach great heights (no big deal).
His mentor is Casey De Bruin. (his father-in law). a former coach of Blacktown City and a former head coach of Soccer NSW.
He`s very well connected through Football NSW and as a curriculum coach with various Australian rep teams.
You really have to have an understanding of the history surrounding the setup of football coaches at Soccer NSW around the 90`s and 2000`s to get what i`m implying here.

A teacher by profession.
He also heads the football program at Westfields Sports School (where a lot of his students go on to rep football for state and Aussie teams).
Going back 20 years ago,he was very methodical in his coaching,a veritable clone of De Bruin.
Most of his players back then enjoyed winning together but had very little respect for him as
a person... :popcorn:
 

Insertnamehere

Well-Known Member
Trevor Morgan is a career coach.
As a player he didn`t reach great heights (no big deal).
His mentor is Casey De Bruin. (his father-in law). a former coach of Blacktown City and a former head coach of Soccer NSW.
He`s very well connected through Football NSW and as a curriculum coach with various Australian rep teams.
You really have to have an understanding of the history surrounding the setup of football coaches at Soccer NSW around the 90`s and 2000`s to get what i`m implying here.

A teacher by profession.
He also heads the football program at Westfields Sports School (where a lot of his students go on to rep football for state and Aussie teams).
Going back 20 years ago,he was very methodical in his coaching,a veritable clone of De Bruin.
Most of his players back then enjoyed winning together but had very little respect for him as
a person... :popcorn:
Wanna give a history lesson...? And be straight with the goss...
 

Wombat

Well-Known Member
Trevor Morgan is a career coach.
As a player he didn`t reach great heights (no big deal).
His mentor is Casey De Bruin. (his father-in law). a former coach of Blacktown City and a former head coach of Soccer NSW.
He`s very well connected through Football NSW and as a curriculum coach with various Australian rep teams.
You really have to have an understanding of the history surrounding the setup of football coaches at Soccer NSW around the 90`s and 2000`s to get what i`m implying here.

A teacher by profession.
He also heads the football program at Westfields Sports School (where a lot of his students go on to rep football for state and Aussie teams).
Going back 20 years ago,he was very methodical in his coaching,a veritable clone of De Bruin.
Most of his players back then enjoyed winning together but had very little respect for him as
a person... :popcorn:
So he is a cockhead??
 

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